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Avid Editor Quicktime Work Flow For Proper Brightness Levels

There seems to be a decent amount of confusion about which settings should be selected when exporting a video as QuickTime and then importing the QuickTime movie into an Avid editor. In this article I will describe the proper settings for exporting video out of  a third party application such as Adobe After Effects using the Avid QuickTime DNxHD codec and then importing the QuickTime DNxHD movie into an editor. Four workflows are shown, one of which is invalid. This same workflow should hold true for all the Avid QuickTime codecs. It will not apply to non-Avid QuickTime codecs.

 

Exporting Source Material With RGB Levels
 



Source media with RGB levels.

 

If you start with source material with RGB levels (0-255), such as the image above, you should select the RGB button in the QuickTime export options shown below. This is because the option in the QuickTime dialog specifies the levels of the source material. However, it isn't a disaster if you don't select the RGB button.

Assume you export two movies. The first has RGB level source material and is exported with the RGB option selected. This is called RGBsource_RGBOption.mov. The second movie has RGB level source material and is exported using the 709 option. This movie is called RGBsource_709Option.mov. 

 



Select the RGB brightness option with RGB source material.

 

Importing Source Material With RGB Levels

When you import RGBsource_RGBOption.mov into the editor, select the 601/709 option to perform a quick import. Selecting the RGB button will bring the  video in at the correct levels, but it will be a slow import. It is OK to select the 601/709 button as the levels within the QuickTime movie were converted to 709 compliant levels when the RGB button was selected on export. Quick import copies the 709 compliant video data from the QuickTime movie to the editor. See the image below for the optimal setting when bringing this movie into the editor.

  



Select the 601/709 option for import of RGB source material.

 

If you look at the levels while in color correction mode, you can see that the darkest black is 16 and the brightest white is 235 as shown in the image below. The left side of the color picker represents the darkest black value and the right side of the color picker represents the brightest white value. The levels of the imported media are correct.

 



RGB source material imported into the editor.

 

When you import RGBsource_709Option.mov, you must select the RGB button in the editor import dialog as shown below. Selecting the 601/709 option will cause the video to come
in at RGB levels. 

 



Select the RGB button for import of RGB material exported with 709 option selected.

 

Exporting Source Material With 709 Levels

 



Source media with 709 compliant levels.


When you export source material that is already 709 level compliant, as shown above, the 709 button should be selected in the QuickTime dialog options as shown below. The RGB button should never be selected in this scenario, as this will not import into the editor with 709 compliant levels. Assume you export two movies. The first contains 709 level compliant source material and is exported using the 709 option. This movie is called 709Source_709Option.mov. The second movie contains 709 compliant source levels and is exported improperly using the RGB option. This movie is called 709Source_RGBOption.mov.

 



Select the 709 button for 709 compliant source material.

 

Importing Source Material With 709 Levels

Import 709Source_709Option.mov using the 601/709 option. This is the only option that can be selected for proper import of this movie.

Now,  import 709Source_RGBOption.mov. No matter whether you select the RGB import option or the 601/709 option, the imported levels will be incorrect as shown below.

 



Media imported into the editor when 709 material is exported using the RGB option.

 

And That's The First Article!

I hope you found this article informative. If I receive positive feedback on this article, I would like to continue writing more articles about various Media Composer workflows.

Please feel free to email comments using the form at the top right or by emailing justin at kwancentral dot com. I can't guarantee that I will be able to respond to all questions.  

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Posted by Justin on Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:08 AM
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Mark Burton gb

Friday, July 18, 2008 3:58 PM

Mark Burton

Keep 'em coming Justin, this sort of article is priceless, especially coming from an insider.
Thanks, Mark

stephane de

Friday, July 18, 2008 5:35 PM

stephane


Importing Source Material With RGB Levels

When you import RGBsource_RGBOption.mov into the editor, select the 601/709 option to perform a quick import. Selecting the RGB button will bring the video in at the correct levels, but it will be a slow import. It is OK to select the 601/709 button as the levels within the Quicktime movie were converted to 709 compliant levels when the RGB button was selected on export. Quick import copies the 709 compliant video data from the Quicktime movie to the editor. See the image below for the optimal setting when bringing this movie into the editor.
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Sorry, i'm now more confused then before. Maybe you can explain a little more what avid does exactly - espacially when it comes to speed differences (quciker import/slower import). I always thought in the import setting i would sort of "telling" avid at what levels my file is. If i got a RGB File - why mark it as "709"?! And why is that quicker? Does the application rely on the saved "RGB Option" and kind of override my manual choice?

Other question: does the application ALWAYS convert the Levels to 601/701? and therefore this import dialog (and the Option setting on Export) just termines if the app needs to convert the file or can straight import it whithout limiting?

Is there a way (and the need?) to have unlimited RGB Levels in my Timeline? (for Webvideo or Colourcorrection it would be better staying RGB before final output ?)

Wouldn't it be better to expand the import checkboxes like:

-checkbox:
i _want_ my timeline RGB/701 - yes/no
the selectet file is (as far as i know) - RGB/701/601

- indicator:
like
Mediacomposer detected 601/701 Levels in this File (indicates the saved Option whithin the file or make a guess when codec is 3rdparty - helpful when the levels are unknown)

(sure, this would require to select the file to import at first and then making the adjustments afterwards.)

and then, for last Smile , a kind of quick preview/scope/messurement (still frame) where good to lower wrong imports

a bit too dreamy, i know


anyway, Thanks for the article


skip90291 us

Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:03 AM

skip90291

Avid engineers should be drawn and quartered for continuing to make this absurdly complicated. Intelligent, trained, educated people should not need to go through this to determine what the correct RGB vs. broadcast safe levels need to be when importing into Avid. It's a topic that has made me angry for years now, as the mythology continues to grow and very little absolute advice is released by Avid. You get a lot of "try this" or "try that." Uh, it's RGB or 601/709. There should be some absolute answers for chrissakes. Thanks you Justin for publishing this. But it doesn't change the fact that Avid's options should be much clearer for the user.

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Monday, July 21, 2008 3:39 PM

agustin goya

Great Article Justin!
It's great to have access to this kind of information.
Keep 'em coming!
Cheers,
Agustin

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Owen Williams us

Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM

Owen Williams

If you, like me, want avid to LEAVE YOUR LEVELS ALOOOOOONNNEEE and not try to "fix" them for you, you must select "601/709" everywhere you can, on export and on import. I've posted more detail on my own blog:

http://ywwg.com/wordpress/?p=427

stephane

Friday, July 25, 2008 3:20 PM

stephane

Thank you skip90291 + Thank you Owen, you both hit my nerve. I really think this is not about Avid lacks a funktionality here but in fact a LACK OF COMMUNICATION.

@Owen: interesting discovery. http://ywwg.com/wordpress/?p=427 I always thought i knew the hassles, but now, if you're right (and i'm willing to believe you) its clear that even i thougt wrong.

User Interface Design, User Interaction, no simple thing.

stephane

Friday, July 25, 2008 4:18 PM

stephane

Its Offtopic to Justins Article but the following may also be very interesting for those of you dealing with lots of importing/exporting and cross platform with Quicktime: Quicktime has a hidden gamma marker, i did not know that --- provideocoalition.com/.../

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